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why is the white population decreasing? Anonymous 07/22/2021 (Thu) 17:39:42 No. 47711
I don't really understand why. for example a lot of European countries have a decreasing white population and the usual argument is migration and race mixing but statistically speaking white people rarely ever mix with non-whites, another argument is promotion of homosexuality but homosexuals usually have kids before they come out and also make up a very small portion of the population. is it economics making it really expensive for whites to have kids? if that's the case why do really poor working class whites not have as many kids as the shit skins that get let into the country? I'm perfectly aware that the white population is indeed being replaced with non-whites, I just don't understand why as most of the arguments people on /pol/ make don't make any sense.
>>47711 Individualists don't breed because all they care about is their own cummies. There are also many social diseases in these countries like feminism, gayzism, trannyism, leftism, judaism, niggerism, liberalism, democracy, etc. All of which have been allowed to fester because the rulers of these country are furry jews.
>>47712 that doesn't answer my question, how exactly does it make whites alone have a decreasing population? like what is making people decide not to have kids? basically im asking you to elaborate
>>47711 >>47714 In general, Whites are having 1.3 to 1.5 kids. Most shit3kins will have 3 or 4 (although these numbers are quickly dropping too) For the most part I would say its mostly economics. If you come from a low-mid economical standing the cost of having a kid or two can seem insurmountable these days. In contrast if you are coming from a shit country having 3-4 kids while making min wage and living in a 1 bedroom apt. still seems like you are moving up the social ladder.
>>47715 why is the cost for children so high? i don't understand why it would be so expensive. also why would the immigrants have more children? surely they would think the same as the whites if living in a shitty apartment on minimum wage? the only reason i could think of was the benefits they all get but they give those to whites in europe as well as far as am aware and most whites on benefits have a shitload of kids anyway so i don't actually see why whites are decreasing? once again i know they are i just really cant comprehend why.
Birth control is a large factor. The replacement of family by judified mass culture with consumption is another. There is a despair among whites at being ethnically replaced so the future feels helpless and they don't want to ring children into a world where they are being phased out, while everything just gets worse. Similar reason whites are turning to hard drugs and you see addicts on the street in any small city. You see a similar decrease in birth rates in Japan. Another factor is shitskins are literally subsidized by the government to have children.
>>47717 >shitskins are literally subsidized by the government to have children. how? from what i understand the immigrants in europe get free shit but thats the first generation, what about their children? also Europeans get benefits too. >The replacement of family by judified mass culture with consumption is another can you put this into perspective for me? this is what im not getting tbh, its strange becuase i know its true but i cant mentally put it all together.
>>47716 >why is the cost for children so high? i don't understand why it would be so expensive. also why would the immigrants have more children? It not that the cost is so high, (mid income family will spend 200-300K per kid) but the average worker is making just enough to get by, living paycheck to paycheck with no savings. >surely they would think the same as the whites if living in a shitty apartment on minimum wage? Not at all. If you are an immigrant, and used to living in the slums, then a shitty one room apt. whit clean running water and indoor plumbing, still seems like like a palace.
>>47719 >but thats the first generation, what about their children? As I said, the numbers are falling for them too, its often just the first gen that has multiple kids. Saw a report couple weeks ago that showed 2nd gen spics in the US are reproducing less than Whites now
>47720 >but the average worker is making just enough to get by, living paycheck to paycheck with no savings. why is this?
>>47722 so their populations are growing becuase of the migration alone?
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>>47723 >why is this? (((Multi national corporations)))
>>47725 ah, i kind of get it now. thanks anon
I think most families should have at least two kids, but the bigger issue is that non-whites have too many kids and that wouldn't be forever-sustainable even if they were more than just walking shit-factories.
>>47724 >migration alone? Absolutely. If the general population is only having 1 kid per family, then in 50-70 years you would see the pop of a country cut in half. That is why governments (at the behest of their donors) are importing hundreds of thousands every year. To maintain 1-2% growth in population and profits
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All that said, it is not entirely >"It's the economy, stupid"
It's a mixture of a whole host of factors. A major one is feminism and birth control, which have led to a major decline in White fertility. Atheism has led to a major decline in White fertility as well. On top of that, there is the economic side of the question which you mentioned, and there is also the normalization of other perversions like homosexuality and transsexualism being promoted and normalized in the West. Of course behind all of this is the Jew and industrialism itself.
>>47728 >That is why governments (at the behest of their donors) are importing hundreds of thousands every year. To maintain 1-2% growth in population and profits No, it is not because of profits or population growth. It is solely about genociding White people. You don't see the same trend in Asia where the governments are not under niggerjew occupation. It is ONLY in European countries associated with the United States.
>>47731 It has nothing to do with atheism.
>>47766 t. atheist Atheists have horrible birthrates wherever they live and they are rapidly outbred by conservative religious people. Let's not forget that statistically speaking atheists vote hard left, are more likely to be mentally ill and unsatisfied with their life. Atheism is poison to healthy societies.
>>47765 take your meds, everything that you blame the jews for can easily be explained by modern greed. billionaires want you to think theres a conspiracy so they don't get revolutionize'd
>>47767 Different anon, but my politics are basically William Pierce and you'd probably call me an atheist. I suppose I'm more of an agnostic with a more pronounced hatred of Christianity and judaism. But my hatred of those religions is entirely political rather than spiritual. Regarding my non-religiousness, that is literally something that I and everyone else who isn't religious is incapable of changing. Christianity just makes no sense on any level and I'm unconvinced by any other religious claims. >>47768 Fuck off, kike. Jews everywhere promote jewish interests and occupy all the positions of true authority. That is not a coincidence.
>>47769 >Regarding my non-religiousness, that is literally something that I and everyone else who isn't religious is incapable of changing Not at all. This can absolutely be changed. I used to be a stringent atheist and materialist for the longest time. And my mind was not changed by any personal issues in my life either that will change some normalfags at the drop of a dime. >Christianity just makes no sense on any level That's because it is a desert religion designed to enslave the goyim.
>>47770 >This can absolutely be changed How? Say that I wanted to go about genuinely believing in Odin, how would I make myself believe in him?
>>47767 >Atheism is poison to healthy societies. And yet it was conservative Evangelicalism, partnered with other desert cults, that destroyed the United States in a supernova of Reaganomics, nigger fetishism, and gunboat diplomacy.
>>47771 >>47771 For Odin in particular I will not be able to give you any definite answer. The reason why I say this is because Odin is an entity that exists within the universe. He has a father, and was born at some point in the past if we are to take the legends seriously. If this is true, we can no more rationally argue for the existence of Odin that can we establish through the use of sheer reason and philosophy alone my own existence, or yours, or really anything within the universe. There's nothing that logically necessitates our existences, the same with Odin, even though he is said to be the king of the gods in Asgard. I believe that it is certainly possible that Odin exists, as do many of the Aryan deities from across time, and in a literal sense. It is a question I would have to try to explore more, and try to see if I could commune with him in any way. The only one that I can rationally argue for though is more like the theistic God of philosophy that has been appropriated (but not invented) by Abrahamics / Spiritual Semites. And even above rationality alone, one can experience said being directly with quite little effort given the right mindset. I know there is at least one Odinist on /fascist/, I will have to tag your post over there and see if I can get him to respond to your post, I'm sure he has some advice for you. >>47772 It's all part of the same (((disease))). It's a symptom of greater problems.
>>47768 >doesn't acknowledge the majority of billionaires are jewish
>>47773 >The only one that I can rationally argue for though is more like the theistic God of philosophy that has been appropriated (but not invented) by Abrahamics / Spiritual Semites Okay, this is the main reason why I am hesitant to call myself an atheist. I agree with you that there could well be some amorphic God of the universe, or perhaps multiple Gods or maybe a continuum. Or maybe the universe is God. But beyond vague deism, there is little else we can claim before descending into arrogance and blasphemy. So I remain silent about the nature of God.
>>47776 Yeah, I can totally understand your mindset. I don't know if I'd call myself a hard deist or anything since I think that God (or some sort of spiritual beings, honestly) can directly respond in prayer and meditation under certain circumstances because I have experienced things like this myself, but it would definitely be arrogance in my mind to claim that one particular religion is the truth and that we know literally everything about what the being(s) behind the universe are like. What I do know is that the Abrahamic religions are psyops though, there's a bit too much evidence there in that regard.
>>47777 A high IQ response with holy repeating numerals. This kind of response is why 16chan is best. You're both introspective as well as genuinely humble before the divine, not assuming what only God could know. I have enormous respect for you and people like you.
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>>47774 He's probably a kike or some useful idiot communist running interference for the kikes so they can promote their universalist ideology as a god to place above your own people
>>47774 Imagine allowing a bunch of foreign psychopaths to rule over you. The American is the nigger of the jew.
>>47771 You don't have to believe, that's nowhere required, and evidence dictates that not everyone did. The old ways placed an emphasis on Orthopraxy not Orthodoxy, so you do have to practice ritual of some sort, it can be as simple as leaving a ritual bowl of bottled, or boiled and cooled, water as an offering once a week with a candle or flame of whatever sort you choose leftbuirning with it, a tea candle works. Odin did exist as a real person at some point in the past, and he is the reason that the Chief god in the northern germanic regions is called Othinn, Woden Wodan, Wotan, etc. The deity or primal force or whatever you wish to call it that that name represents has many names and not all of them Odin. What I have gleaned via meditation and research is that there are souls who are shards of this divine force, and it is the same thing for every Deity, that cycle in and out over long timescales each of these people who are imbued with this force is called an Avatar, they are extremely rare. As for how to begin believing in general, to answer your question most directly, it is simple, and gradual, start here. Science has shown us that you, as a living being, give off and run on electro-magnetism. The same is true of the Earth, and the Sun, and the stars, we are alive, so how are they not alive? and if, as logic dictates, they are alive, would their minds not be greater than our own, would these huge things not be as gods to our tiny little minds? The only logical answer is yes, this is where you start, it's where i did, also keep in mind the basic logical maxim of the First Cause(s). for Odin specifically, keep in mind that he is associated with the Sun, He has attribites that he shares with Apollo, Hermes Zeus, Dyeus Pater, Indra and all the other Chief Gods of every other Aryan culture's pantheons. We could go back and forth as to why he has no lightning power and many of the others do, but I suspect it is because the norse beliefs are the longest continuous mythos before they were destroyed and corrupted by christian hands.
>>47774 I've never seen any evidence that Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk have jewish ancestry. Still, it's true that a disproportionate amount of billionaires are jewish.
>>47776 even professional wiener and king of the atheists Richard Dawkins only goes as far to say he thinks it's improbable that a creator exists, not that he can verify it doesn't. i only identify as such because i think it makes the fewest assumptions about the nature of reality and i don't proudly tout it to everybody because it's too shallow of a concept to have anything to discuss about it or even take pride in to begin with. it's a single, standalone view and doesn't have meaningful literature to associate with it (all the "atheist literature" i ever saw was just anti-theistic hate-porn which is a huge waste of time). some atheists have made attempts to organize and attach a moral code onto the atheist view with some bullshit called Atheism+, but it was just some vague socially-liberal mainstream political set of values. a thoughtless set of beliefs even worse than being some insane sociopath with no morality. i try to piece together something from what i know of history, politics, my religious upbringing (although i never had any sense of spirituality even back then) and religious/philosophical literature with the basis of preserving nature and white longevity. some questions seem like they will always be out of the scope of human perspective to answer satisfactorily. things become harder for science to explain the more complex they are, so there may be a hard-limit to what humanity even can prove. people can have their beliefs on the origins of the universe, the mechanics of life and death or any other fundamental questions like those; i think we will see more fruits out of concrete subjects that affect anyone alive today, such as what policies society should operate on.
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>>47711 >why is the white population decreasing? you really need an explanation for that ?
>>47783 Yeah it doesn't surprise me that Dawkins would say that, since I don't know how would even verify the lack of such a thing like that, especially if traditionally it is defined as at least being partially transcendent to the universe itself. If we're talking about the least amount of assumptions though, I think a creator would actually be the simplest explanation with the least amount of assumptions than positing the existence of a very complex material world full of inexplicably existing and arbitrary physical laws, physical constants, types of matter, elements, etc. Mostly though it's the normalfags and lemmings that this shouldn't be spread to, regardless of the truth or falsity of the whole thing. With people like you - at least presumably - I doubt you are that different from me in what we think needs to be done, so any other issues outside of the 14 Words and removing Jewish parasites is a small issue not worth too much argument over, at least while we are being faced with extinction.
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>>47782 >Jeff Bezos You're right, I early life'd the right column, and for some reason was thinking Bezos was a card carrying heeb and didn't bother to confirm. Apologies As to Elon, it is said he is not jewish, but that is hotly debated. Both parents have questionable linage and jewish phenotype
>>47799 given the proportion of billionaires who are jewish, it's safe to say the rest are shabbos goyim at best.
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>>47799 How come this pic doesn't include super rich jewish zillionaire banking parasite families like (((Rothschild))) and (((Rockefeller))) and (((Schiff))) as well as (((Warburg))) and other forgotten shadowy figures with actual power who want to remain hidden? (name them) I know it's supposed to be (((forbes))) but aforementioned should be listed there, because that fucking faggot jeff is just a small fry merchant compared to them, the kikes I just listed control most of our whole world. Those kikes also approved of these getting this rich, through nepotism, that is why most of them are jewish.
>>47804 Forbes excludes royalty and nobility, The rothschilds qualify for exclusion.
>>47781 Different anon from the one that you responded to. A few questions. As an Odinist, do you specifically worship Odin, or is it more of a catch-all term for the father god of aryan religions? How did you find truth through meditation? Could you describe the process of it? And, finally, do you think that a person is born with the mark of god on their soul, or can it be imparted on them under certain circumstances?
>>47829 I worship Odin and the other Nordic Gods, not as as a catch-all but it is the same entity, in my interactions with him, he seems to prefer the Nordic name Ođinn, Anglicized either Odhinn or Othinn. I started by meditating on the Elder Futhark, In order, I'm still in the midst of the Second Aett. There is a wealth of information elsewhere on meditation but I find it's easiest to begin them with steady breathing in the nose out the mouth, then visualize yourself in a pool of warm water, I then visualize myself in a sort of mind palace, and I make myself comfortable and go from there, 10 minutes is enough for most but I go for longer meditations. You will not likely make contact with the gods, even Shamans have a difficult time at that,for Avatars it is astonishingly easy. It is more likely you will contact ancestors and even that can be difficult. Some of them will try to trick you, as some are "evil", more typically the Christian ones I have found, though even those rarely attempt to harm you. Full Avatars are born with the mark of a god, and only they can access the full power of the god whose soul they have a share of. there is a Phenomenon known as Shaktyavesha or Patial Avatar, a powerful Shaman can coopt the power of a god, not unwillingly on the gods part, and they can even do it unknowingly, Hitler was one such example with Baldr.
>>47833 When you say contact, do you mean that you hear a voice, feel a presence, or something entirely different? Could you give an example or two of good and bad experiences you've had when contacting ancestors?
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>>47781 >>47783 Yeah, Atheism+ is literally just a religion with orthodoxy and excommunications in all but name. Really, in name too, they just substitute words but the meaning is the same. While I don't believe in Odin, I would be happy to live in a society that did practice these communal rituals. That sounds extremely comfy.
>>47841 I agree. Even though I am atheist, I would rather live in a white society with a faithful majority (and stuff like communal fasts and other holidays are great excuses to have fun and strengthen bonds). I have generally felt I have more in common with the values of the spiritual than other atheists. I would say the people running the West are more or less atheist (not saying they aren't jew rats, too). Materialist, social-Darwinist, whatever. Something along those lines, and yet I can't identify with their behavior. Even if life is just an endless meat-grinder of pointless suffering and the Earth (and the universe) will inevitably die, why skip to the end with destructive practices? Suffering will never be completely eliminated, but we should still work toward that goal through a structured society led by compassionate leadership that cares both for the citizenry and nature. Places like Earth seem incredibly rare. If anything, viewing its existence as an astronomical and random chance makes it all the more precious to me. It's like winning the most valuable lottery of all time, although some may think that comparison still cheapens it. Instead of honoring the Earth, it's stripped bare and raped for all it's worth. If certain beliefs cause cultural suicide and environmental desecration, then they should be suppressed.
>>47841 It is comfy. That's why we did stuff like that for thousands of years. Regardless of how you feel about the spiritual side of things, European paganism will always result in a net positive for a community. This is only tangentially related, but I feel like it fits the topic. I have similar feelings about drugs and alcohol usage. They have great potential for community bonding. For example, the Scythians would make smoke-tents and burn marijuana, and sit in the and socialize. You'll also see that most ancient cultures either watered down their alcohol or drank alcohol very low in ethanol, keeping people from getting too intoxicated under most circumstances. Its rituals and practices like these that help a community draw together and feel a sense of belonging.
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>>47847 Personally, my ideal religion for my ideal White ethno-state is Cosmotheism with Dr. William Pierce as the archangel or patron Saint. Combined with ancestor worship. Anything ancestor worship related would be pretty hard to subvert. And of course the jews are dead in this comfy fiction. People like pageantry and I suppose I am not so different. What I don't like is the emptiness of modern pageantry. It's either the cynical mouthing of old hymns to a jewish god once a week in an otherwise empty building. Or it's the wet, deraigned, freakshow zealotry of shitlibs, marching through the streets with raw, unhinged religious fanaticism. I suppose that's why, while not religious myself, I have always felt a warmth towards European "pagan" festivals. They weren't political acts but just the community coming together to celebrate itself. Is that really so much to ask from society? Sadly, even if we do get the jew off our backs, I feel like we're going to need to go through a Taliban-esque period of social cleansing. This political zealotry will stick around with the shoe on the other foot (whoever controls the media). But like Harold Covington, what I would truly crave is to be in charge of rebuilding our lost Folk culture in my country. Rebuilding almost from scratch in the vacuum left by globalist materialism.
>>47849 Be careful with Cosmotheism. It is able to be subverted. This was not Pierce's intention, but it logically follows from accepting the premises of his philosophy. If there is a pantheistic Whole which is striving for self-realization, and that all other things are relative to the interests of the perfection of this Whole of which we are parts, necessarily this also relativizes the White race in time. This is because Cosmotheism is inseparably built on the logic of evolutionism and progress. There is constant change, and this change is gradually proceeding to a completely self-realized perfected 'God' that would encompass the Whole of things. If this is the not-yet-reached end goal for the Whole, Cosmotheism is necessarily a forward-looking ideology, a progressive ideology. It is not hard to see that subverters could come in and try to dictate what the "next step in evolution" is and to force it on the population. Cosmotheism sees ultimately that there will a complete destruction of everything that White Nationalists seek to preserve. In a perfect self-realized pantheistic Universe there is no individuality, White people, no White families, communities, animals, Earth or anything at all. Progressive ideologies are inherently capable of subversion, and it was because of this (among other reasons) that I have abandoned Cosmotheism. It was an important step in my journey though.
>>47851 >Cosmotheism is inseparably built on the logic of evolutionism and progress. True but it holds that we as a race are the pinnacle of the universal divine and that we are ourselves striving towards that divine. I understand what you are saying though. Maybe some transhumanist faggot will come along and say, "Hey guys, just become machines, bro. It'll totally make us supermen." And this is certainly a bad thing, but I see the benefits of "progressive" theology since our planet and society is constantly evolving. Eventually we should populate the galaxy with our people, if it is possible. And on a more short term aspect, making society as meaningful for our people as possible is an excellent thing to strive towards. We must not become so conservative that we become stagnant. Had our race done this in the past, we would have been just another race on the planet, slowly being overtaken by the Ottomans or Chinese.
>>47711 There are a few reasons for white decline >feminism >lowered standard of living(low wages) >birth control >Negative view of the future (global warming, mass migration etc) All countries go through booms in their population, until it eventually stabilizes or even retracts.
>>47853 >we as a race are the pinnacle of the universal divine There's no way of knowing this though. And then the flaw here is that according to Cosmotheist, if some aliens came along and were enlightened on Cosmotheism, they would have every right to blot out the White race for the same reason that niggers and Jews need to be blotted out by Whites on Earth. This again follows from the fact that the White race according to the logic of Cosmotheism is ultimately completely relative to the Whole and that the lesser evolutionary products, i.e. the less divine species / organisms are ultimately impediments to the self-realization of the Whole. >Maybe some transhumanist faggot will come along and say, "Hey guys, just become machines, bro. It'll totally make us supermen." That's the thing though, I'm not sure how according to the Cosmotheist logic that one could refute such a suggestion, because it seems to follow from Pierce's vision of constantly advancing and ever more perfect forms of life. At least the Indo-European pagan could say that the gods created this cosmic order with different types of beings who all by nature have different roles and characters which harmoniously interact in a greater Whole. Sometimes there is struggle, other times we see harmony, whether between man and woman, gods and men, man and Nature, etc. This is Natural Law. Even the Abrahamic theist is better insulated against such subversions. >And this is certainly a bad thing, but I see the benefits of "progressive" theology since our planet and society is constantly evolving. Eventually we should populate the galaxy with our people, if it is possible. And on a more short term aspect, making society as meaningful for our people as possible is an excellent thing to strive towards. We must not become so conservative that we become stagnant. Had our race done this in the past, we would have been just another race on the planet, slowly being overtaken by the Ottomans or Chinese. Everything in the world we interact with on a day-to-day basis necessarily changes or shifts over time, more or less, but 'progress' is a myth and a trap. The only escape from degeneracy is to organize society around an immutable axis from which are derived basic norms, principles and ideas about the universe. Evola touches on this, and makes it clear that when a given civilization repudiates this, they spiral into degeneracy and decay like a plant cut off from its root. Think not of 'stagnant' but of stable. Progressive society is like a malignant tumor. Sure, it's not stable or stagnate, and it's surely progressing, but not in a good way. It is because our society does not have an immutable axis around which it is ordered that technology, science and other things will always be a destructive force, because there is nothing constraining their dehumanizing effects when they are not limited by humans and Natural Law.
>>47724 the migrants have anchor babies when they arrive because "we can't separate families now" so it 's much harder to kick them out from this loop-hole and it incentives first gens to have big families. They essentially have children and use it as shield so they can't become deported
>>47837 Most of the time I feel a presence I have felt that presence through most of my life but it manifested more prominently as I became a National Socialist, I can ask a question in a yes or no way, and the feeling is an affirmative answer. It is a feeling like cold fingers running up your spine but inside, very unlike a cold chill, I also get it when other Shamans or Astral projectors are watching me. I am only toward the beginning of my spiritual journey I have been told things will get much easier for me as I continue to walk the path the Fates have set for me. I have heard voices during meditations, and a Volva I know can see and hear and talk to the gods as easily as she can me I haven't had any bad experiences yet, and the good ones are too personal to share.
I can't speak for everyone else, but I clearly was never good enough for the women. My parents divorced early in my life, that fucked me up pretty good and pretty much permanently annihilated a part of my soul. I am apparently extremely sensitive and when my parents, my mom, really, couldn't make it work, that just destroyed something deep inside of me. My dad obviously didn't want to get divorced and fought hard to make it work, but my mom was adamant in wanting her divorce. Ever since then, I've been terribly depressed. Even as a child, I was extremely sad, due to being forced to having to endure two parents who hated each other and constantly yelled at each other when they spoke to each other on the phone. My mom always seemed to be the angriest, I'll probably never know, why she hates my dad as much as she does. I was bullied a lot in school too, that obviously didn't make me happier. And of course, I have always been terrible with women. I remember the first time I kissed a chick, I was probably 15 or something, I think it went sort of okay, but the next time I saw her, she literally turned around and ran away from me in terror. That has ended up becoming a pattern in my life. Somehow, women have never thought I was good enough for them. I was never even given a chance, I was always insta-rejected when I talked to chicks in bars and the like. Eventually, despite all the odds, I managed to get myself some kind of an education and now that I'm in my forties, I live reasonably well. I have permanently given up on women and no longer care about europe and my country. If the sandniggers and the kikes want it, they're welcome to it, I don't care one way or another. Women are cruel, evil demons under the right conditions, I can tell you guys that much. All I ever wanted was a little bit of stability in my life, some sort of assurance. A little cutie I could love and worship, one who would swear to me that she would never leave me. Women like that probably don't exist in the real world. It's probably just some fucked up trauma that I have gotten from my evil fucking whore of a fucking mother. God, I fucking hate her. I really, really do. And yet, I love her. I can't help but love her, she's my mom. But the way she just up and left my dad, the callous and heartless way she did it and how much it broke him as a man, that I will never forgive. And I've heard plenty of her fucking stupid fucking excuses over the years. How he was often in-between jobs, his supposed excessive drinking. Whatever. I haven't been able to justify her excuses as valid reasons for leaving him, personally. How can I ever, considering how much it destroyed me? Destroyed my innocent, fragile, soul and belief in humanity? But yeah, fuck women and fuck feminism. And women shouldn't be fucking allowed to goddamn vote, either.
>>47841 You don't have to believe in them, they believe in you, and even if you can't believe that, the rituals and everything have a purpose that is entirely rational.
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>>47868 >no longer care about europe and my country. If the sandniggers and the kikes want it, they're welcome to it What is this some copypasta? Nobody wants to hear the sob story of a traitor.
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For anyone who doesn't believe in the gods, I recommend for them to contemplate the question of why every culture on Earth believed in the gods and a world animated by supernatural spirits of various kinds until it had to be brainwashed out of them. Thousands of generations of people, Aryan and non-Aryan. Were they all just schizos wasting their life by putting fictions in the center of it? By today's standards, certainly, but by Nature's standards, not at all. The paranormal / supernatural exists, 100%. Anyone who has dabbled in this stuff seriously for even a short amount of time has had experiences that are simply not explainable according to a materialistic worldview.
>>47867 >It is a feeling like cold fingers running up your spine but inside, very unlike a cold chill I felt the exact same feeling a while back, and have felt it more and more while thinking about my own spirituality and the nature of reality. The way you described it lines up perfectly with my experiences. Thanks for answering all of my questions. I really do appreciate it.
>>47859 >There's no way of knowing this though. And then the flaw here is that according to Cosmotheist, This is true but it is equally true of most religions. Most religions begin with a groundless assumption and work outwards from there. I wouldn't describe myself as a cosmotheist since that would be dishonest. Really, my religion is just pro-Whiteness or perhaps National Socialism? But if I could magic my race into a religion and it couldn't just be the religion of racial survival, I'd have it be something along the lines of what we were discussing. It might be a lie but it would be a beneficial lie, I think. If it had to be some sort of Christianity based religion, I'd ask the genie if I could remove the old testament and have Jesus be born in Germany or something. Hey, rewriting the Bible has been done many times before. It can be done again. But Christianity is too much of a universalist religion to be of much use. It comes pre-subverted. Maybe you are right and cosmotheism has this open ended flaw of progressing towards an undefined future. I know that you are an atheist, but what would you suggest in order to avert this? You say organize society around an immutable axis from which are derived basic norms, principles and ideas. But I'm sure that you can see that if this is taken to its logical conclusion, we'll all just stagnate. And if we stagnate, then some other people or other idea will take over. That must not happen again.
>>47869 >You don't have to believe in them, they believe in you I hope that faith is not misplaced.
>>48018 >This is true but it is equally true of most religions. Most religions begin with a groundless assumption and work outwards from there. I'd have to disagree. If one really looks into the core of a lot of religions they are saying a lot of the exact same things in slightly different ways, with all sorts of stuff ornamenting it varying on the culture, environment, etc. Usually this is some idea of God, which if this is what you are suggesting, I would have to argue is not groundless at all, but is rather eminently rational to believe in. Not that most people reach a belief in God through rational means (not that this is a bad thing, not all things that we know are known through reason), but it is still important to note. >But Christianity is too much of a universalist religion to be of much use The problem here is that Truth is of a necessarily universal character. I am assuming that you are saying that the issue here is that it does not distinguish between different kinds of humans. That is definitely a huge flaw with Christianity, and among one of the many reasons I reject it, i.e. that it doesn't distinguish between humans well enough and treat them accordingly. >I know that you are an atheist, but what would you suggest in order to avert this? I'm not an atheist, I'm some sort of vague (non-Christian) theist. The "immutable axis" I speak of here is of course God, as there is nothing else it could be. This is how our ancestors stretching back into the distant past ordered their societies, and it is no surprise that they were more healthy, and more fulfilled in all spheres of life. >But I'm sure that you can see that if this is taken to its logical conclusion, we'll all just stagnate. And if we stagnate, then some other people or other idea will take over. I don't see any sort of stagnation in here. The rejection of all stability or anchoredness at all has led to the destruction of organic communities, destruction of the relationships between men and women, between the young and old, between children and their parents, degeneracy, hedonism, unnatural practices, trannies, destruction of the environment, forests, wild areas, oceans, etc. It's a literal horror show, and what is its fueling idea? PROGRESS AND FREEDOM. It's change for the sake of change. Of course it's the Jews who are at the helm, but one would have to be retarded not to look to deeper causes that prepped the minds of humanity for this madness: >progress >rationalism and empiricism >naturalism >anthropocentrism >industrialism Those who chase after change for the sake of change will find themselves flying off a cliff with the rest of the Jews, liberals, capitalists, leftists, humanists and materialists of the world.
>>48021 >I would have to argue is not groundless at all, but is rather eminently rational to believe in Apart from vague deism, which is not a religion, each religion makes a totally irrational assumption that a particular set of deism is true; Yahweh is real, Zeus is real, whatever the fuck Scientologists believe is real. Not to say that it's impossible for these things to be real, the claim that they assuredly are and to the exclusion of others is pure arrogance. >I'm some sort of vague (non-Christian) theist My apologies. I had you mixed up with another anon/conversation. >The "immutable axis" I speak of here is of course God Well, I'm sure that you can understand that in terms of religiosity, vague theism is probably not going to appeal to the religion prone people. >The rejection of all stability or anchoredness at all has led to the destruction of organic communities I don't propose some extremist strawman of anarchy-religion. I have said before that I support ancestor worship for precisely the same reasons you have outlined; To keep us rooted in our heritage and reality and tradition and community. But I also maintain that we need more than merely worship of the past. There must be some sort of present or future for the religion or ideology. I have some ideas for what this should be, but I am sure that you can understand why we need it. We don't need change for the sake of change, but we ought to have something we are working towards in our future. Betterment of our race, betterment of our society, betterment of our planet. Something.
>>48022 >Apart from vague deism, which is not a religion, each religion makes a totally irrational assumption that a particular set of deism is true Deism is a degenerate, overly rationalistic version of theism that views God like someone who winds up a watch and leaves it to run without doing anything else. There are far, far more similarities between traditions at a philosophical / theological level *once one looks past externals*. This is what Perennialism and Traditionalism are about. >Not to say that it's impossible for these things to be real, the claim that they assuredly are and to the exclusion of others is pure arrogance. This is the key distinction between Abrahamism and non-Abrahamic Aryan religions. The claim that ‘all religions are true’ is a hippie New Age cop-out that is highly unphilosophical, but that all (esp. traditional) religions can elements of truth is 100% true. The mountain has one peak but many paths to the top, some better than others. Some systems don’t even get to the mountain. For the record though, Yahweh and Zeus are real. Once one realizes that Yahweh’s covenant with the Jews actually happened and that Kabbalah guides the actions of the Jews and their agenda down to the deepest level everything will begin to make sense. >My apologies. I had you mixed up with another anon/conversation. No problem, anon >I'm sure that you can understand that in terms of religiosity, vague theism is probably not going to appeal to the religion prone people. That’s definitely true. Maybe it’s a little less vague than I said though. Plato, Aristotle, Stoics, Boethius, Neoplatonists, the Bhagavad Gita, the Upanishads—all of these echo rather similar things from what I have noticed, and I think they are onto something. Too much to explain here right now. >I have said before that I support ancestor worship for precisely the same reasons you have outlined; To keep us rooted in our heritage and reality and tradition and community. This is definitely vital. >We don't need change for the sake of change, but we ought to have something we are working towards in our future. Betterment of our race, betterment of our society, betterment of our planet. Something. Towards what end though? Reminds me of these posts: >>>/fascist/9494 >>>/fascist/9498
>>47714 Because before you only had a lot of kids because the others died and religious cultural pushing. Society has been pushing against having kids and instead have degenerate "fun". Boomers have barely made a effort to want grand kids. The shitskins after the 2nd gen have far less kids whats keeping their populations growing is jews keep importing them. Most 3+ kid shitskin families are recent. Make religion popular with White People and you will see a baby boom.
>>47768 Wrong the rich have always existed, jews however poisoned the community well which corrupted the system you retard. Just because they have to drink their poison doesn't change the fact they poisoned it.
>>47768 Thats called scapegoating you kike. Fun fact scapegoating is from jews because they would put their sins on the goat and then blame the goat for the evil jews do. Then hunt the goat after.
>>47768 No, faggot. They want you to put the blame on white people. Nearly everything in society exists to convince you that white people are guilty. Meanwhile if you tell the truth and point out the jew, you're censored everywhere and even here cretins like you immediately jump out of the sewers to run their programmed Hollywood routine in defense of your jewish oligarchs. You're a brainwashed nigger.
Besides what's been said already, blacks evolved for a more r-selected reproduction strategy compared to Whites and east asians, i.e. blacks evolved for minimal parental investment and a high number of offspring. Blacks also have a poor understanding of futurity, all they can think of is "sex good"; whereas whites are more likely to consider their financial situation and things like (((environmentalism))) and (((race guilt))). Blacks may be having fewer children on average, but they'll never be as low as Whites in the same environment, and that's evolutionary. Then there's (((feminism))) which destroyed wages and standard of living, so now it's normal for both parents to be working full-time and over-time just to make ends meet, it's normal to have non-traditional households like single-motherhood, mixed families etc., and it's normal for the generations of a family to be spread out around the world, rather than living in close proximity and supporting one another. Both parents are working far more hours than ever before, but real wages have collapsed, so white families no longer feel they can support more than one or two children. Then there's all the kike propaganda about how having white children is "white supremacy" or some shit, the kike promotion of race-mixing, and so on. More and more whites are having children with non-whites, and I'm also seeing an increasing number of white couples that don't have any children of their own, but choose to adopt non-white children.
>>47782 >I've never seen any evidence that Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk have jewish ancestry Trim your jewdar: Always assume that everyone who looks white but have eyes that are slanting down are Ashkenazi jews. What their religion is is irrelevant.
>>48019 Whether it is or not, is entirely up to you and within your power to determine. Make sure their faith is not misplaced, and it won't be.
>>47716 Niigers have high spam rates but high death rates too. But guilt and Africa Aid(s) encouraged by our nice (((fellow white bros))) encouraged us to send food to them instead of letting niggers die of hunger. We sent medicine too but not only that, we also built hospitals. For example Western Europe today pays for their healthcare and surgeries, often by moving them into Europe, then rarely sending them back. >>47719 The freegibs industry is mighty strong over there. They're helped by old lib vaginas who know all the ins and outs of a pro-immigration system made to allow future generations of migrants to get more money while doing nothing. After WWII ended, jews fought hard against any form of White nationalism, relentlessly destroying pride and culture. Since they owned the banks, the medias and the politicians, it wasn't that hard for them. Look at what >>47715 said: >In contrast if you are coming from a shit country having 3-4 kids while making min wage and living in a 1 bedroom apt. still seems like you are moving up the social ladder. Migrants often have even more kids as 3-4 kids is too low. Migrants use Western Union type banks to send money back home where the giga families can feed and grow again. Later generations of migrants have lower repro rates as they get affected by the modern world's influence but it takes something like two or three generations and they still stay above Whites no matter what. Meanwhile govs import more of the dark creatures. >>47728 >To maintain 1-2% growth in population and profits >they do it only for the shekels, not to genocide Whites Hello kike. If they wanted more people, they'd have just changed the tune of the talmudvision since the 50s and said to White people to have many kids. That's literally what the chirstcuck book tells christcucks to do and, lo and behoold, christcucks have tons of them in trad cath families.

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